Zuriel Waters is a painter who lives and works in Brooklyn, NY. We talk about his current solo show Bug City at Left Field Gallery in Los Osos, CA. We also talk about going from all face to all feelers, jazz as a metaphor, figures without a ground, painting as problem solving, giving himself a deadline, escaping narrative, creating a progression, playing the saxophone, sewing paintings, from the practical to the aesthetic, learning to love Murray and Mondrian, holding yourself accountable, painting for mistakes, choosing colors that are inevitable, doodling as a starting point, utopia as an end game, and making things that you can live with.