Clare Grill is a painter who lives and works in Queens, NY. We talk about her beautiful solo show There’s the Air at Derek Eller Gallery, currently on view through April 24, 2021. The conversation also covers her way of collaborating with studio light, “changing the choreography”, the differing speeds of painting and drawing, making work that feels urgent, learning to look at the painting itself, complicated artifacts, drawings as a database, making abstract paintings in a field of feeling, the bones of a painting, working without a plan, becoming a painter, spending time with your work, and leaving room for not knowing or being in control all the time.